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Well, well, well..........(3 holes in the ground).
This was what a few of us suspected, but exactly the case we were appealing against. This entry will be by no means static. I have taken a few days to mull over a written reaction, and have thought of several things. I will take my time about it, but must say I was immediately very disappointed with the 'reply'. Subjective emotions aside, the following is my objective open letter reply:
- Is money more important than creativity?
- It contradicts what Hans stated in an interview - "We always do an album."
- End benefits? - bad contract deals, mismanagement?
Wouldn't whoever has benefit entitlement, want to make money of it, take a risk, like they did in the first place with investing? What's the point of having copyright, if you won't get paid a penny?
Who has copyright?
Who has end benefit?
- How can one assume that the release won't sell enough copies to make a profit?
Even non Zimmer, let alone non-score fans enjoy the DOT score.
- Appealing music - obviously, the scores in question have polysemic appeal just like any other work of creative art, and as a result, have many listeners passionately wanting their release. Otherwise, have all released scores been appealing, and made heaps of profit? I don't think so.
- Do artists care about all their work, or only the ones that make them money?
- Do artists produce something just adequate enough (mediocre, sub-standard), to make money?
- Is The Preacher's Wife un-appealing as well, with no chance of being able to make money?
- Are soundtrack releases purely promotional? Why are they released, with 'inspired' songs, aimed at making more money?
- Do artists enjoy having their work bootlegged?
It is a sad situation. I suggest buying video copies of said movies.
for Zinfo
Yumbo
- Everyday, December, 1996
It's depressing, the petition is rejected :(
I expected something like that, and I'm disappointed.
This damned Re-Use-fees. That is not the first time that they avert
the release of a good score.
Well, so must we live with the 3 Minutes of "Days of Thunder" on the
Hans Zimmer / Mark Mancina Collaboration.
Perhaps we should ask the guys which has bootleged "Predator" recently.
Perhaps they can also bootleg "Days Of Thunder" or "Bird On A Wire".
Preachers Wife will be not released... well, why do the movie-studios
think that Whitney Houston films need a Whitney Houston soundtrack ????
But I thought that something like this would happene, it is the same as the
Soundtrack for "Bodyguard", only 2 Minutes Silvestri-score. When they
have Whitney Houston, they don't care about a score-release....
Marco Samtlebe
- Friday, December 06, 1996 at 21:08:17 (CST)
I am completely dismayed. It rather
disappoints me for someone to evaluate realistic initiative, and list
subsequent challenges that oppose fruition versus those that promote it. I
thought it was an ultimate downcast to conceivement and the reasons listed
were very non-specific in terms.
I mean really, what is not appealing about those scores? Hans should more
than appeciate the fact that he has a dedicated, loyal group of FANS that
spend endless hours researching, relishing, and promoting his talents. Why
couldn't cost justification for producing these releases at least be outlined, and allow the demand to augment to a realistic level?
Outside of disappointment, what are your thoughts (I'm overwrought)? Are you
comfortable that this is a final answer? How can efforts be furthered?
I think Hans should have personally responded to that e-mail - it would have
been tasteful.
A fan
- Saturday, December 07, 1996 at 18:18:00 (CST)
Did he give any specific reasons why? Or just that they don't care at all ?
Re-USE fees.....hmmmm. xxx those re-use fees!!
Now, that all your efforts were useless, I will try to find a way to get the
original tapes.
BTW, did you think about protesting on your web-site against the turn-down of
your petition ? Like a Black Ribbon ;-) or by replacing your great web-pages
with a protest page? Just a stupid idea of mine in the middle of the night >:-)
Take care
All the best
A fan
- Monday, December 09, 1996 at 03:15:55 (CST)
I'm sad too but you don't have to be too disapointed.
A couple of years ago, we saw a lot of old Goldsmith and Morricone
scores being released.
Why ? Just because they have enough fans interested in older scores
even if those are not very interesting.
Goldsmith once said that they were too many of his scores out there.
He didn't decide to release them.
Unfortunately, they both are above 60. This means more than 20 years to
wait ;-)
I think movie music has become a genre by itself with more and more
enthousiasts, scores are
released more easily than before. Business you know.
The amount of Zimmer fans is growing fast, so we must be optimist.
You did a great job with this petition. Bravo!
Patrick Renier
- Tuesday, December 10, 1996 at 19:11:08 +0100
Probably right! He'd have to pay a percentage to all the musicians,
button-pushers etc...you know the deal.
"Hans also wanted me to add that, personally, he thinks the scores in question are not worth releasing because they do not appeal to him."
Hehe! A true musician! That fits with what I've read about Hans - he
apparantly thought Days of Thunder was a shocker!
As it happens, I'm the same way with the stuff I play around with - if
someone asks me to play something, I'll only play the pieces which are
completely finished and sound good. Let 'em hear only the best and you
can't go wrong; once they convince you to play a half-finished/crap piece
you run the risk of lowering their opinion of you!!! Not comparing myself
with the Master, but I think you get the idea.
Disappointing, really.
A fan
- Wednesday, December 11, 1996 at 00:25:17 (CST)
Just went in to have a look at what Mr. Z got to say ... VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!!!!
I AM VERY VERY VERY VERY UPSET... and there is nothing we can do about it!!!!!
Do we need to raise our own funds in order for Mr. Z to release those scores???
AAAAAAAaaaaarrrgh!!!
I like the idea of Mancina scores petition. Especially Bad Boys. That
extended version from FYD on Bad Boys was EXCELLENT.....!!!!! Maybe if Bad
Boys 2 ever to be released, they would release a proper score on it. Cross
my finger....
Otherwise, I support you on the petition but we may 99% get the
disappointment again.... AAAAArgh!
VERY VERY VERY DISAPPOINTED.
A fan
- Wednesday, December 11, 1996 at 19:22:39 (CST)
Shucks. I'm sorry to hear the petition isn't successful.
Quite disappointed...
And news of "The Preacher's Wife" score not being released also sucks!
:(
A fan
- Thursday, December 12, 1996 at 14:23:40 +0800
The reply is a shame!
It always seems to come down to money, doesn't it?
However as film scores begin to get more popular (as they are) the money will be there, and maybe Hans will reconsider.
At least we tried.
Thanks.
Alex Lisman <lismana@uvic.ca>
Victoria, BC, Canada - Saturday, December 21, 1996 at 04:22:14 (CST)
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